here's a pic of the ML (4-5 inches of travel)..... i gotta admit that i had a friggin blast building up this sweet mo-fo. Dressed up with some decent parts, X9, Talas RLC, RP3, Avid BB-7's with Paul lovelevers. The wheels are some decent DTswiss 240's laced to 717's and 2.1 WTB's Epicwolf rubber....which obviously brings up the only neg. aspect of this frame, the rear tire clearence or lack of. I doubt you could safely run much wider of a tire then what's on it. How does it ride ???? Damn i wish i knew.